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-- Rick M, http://thewoodknack.blogspot.com/. I just spent some time in the shop playing around with some of these ideas. That works out to $2.99 after you use Hobby Lobby’s always-available 40% discount coupon. 99. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__8457__Insta_Set_CA_Accelerator_8_oz.html, Remembered my rc friend uses this. also im in the middle of a project and i don't want to wait for the stuff to get here. The stuff you buy is a scam...water is all you need in a fine mist and it works GREAT! I will be interested to hear whether you have success with either one. Spraying with Bloxygen might work. Says on the bottle extremely flammable, and it "causes immediate cure of cyanoacrylates" Also says it contains heptane, is this the main ingredient? You cannot paste images directly. If you need CA glue to fill a gap in glue joint, try this: Apply glue, join the surfaces together, wipe excess, then sand the joint with 100 grit sand paper. View Single Post 04-05-2003, 05:06 PM #1 N1EDM-RCU. [Clear Super Glue Adhesive and Accelerator Spray] 4.6 out of 5 stars 604 $17.69 $ 17 . You can post now and register later. Just mix 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda into 1/4 cup of purified water. They are inexpensive, a few cents each bought in bulk. -- Nathan, TX -- Hire the lazy man. ", Just guessing He tested 8 cans to fine the best spray tip/white spot free brand. Just need spray bottle. 69 You only need a tiny bit for most gluing operations, so a can lasts seemingly forever unless you’re super gluing every day. Your link has been automatically embedded. Get it as soon as Wed, Jan 6. #4 – Accelerator application method tip: Aerosol or pump spray bottles are convenient way to apply accelerator. I'll third that! Solvent, but not accelerant. #1 – The aerosol cans are a very expensive way to buy/use cyanoacrylate accelerator. Part of the reason why I discontinued the product was because I have found a good substitute for the accelerator (and plus the cost to freight it off interstate is exxy!). The dust will fill the visible gap, and seal out air; which allows the CA to cure as designed without accelerator. Menlo Park, CA 94025. The soda will neutralize the acid in CA glue, which is there to slow the curing time. with Activator (6.76 fl oz.) I've read plain water makes a perfectly good accelerant (that's the joke posted above about dihydrous monoxide, i.e, H20, i.e., water). might work on pale whitish stones but nothing with color. I don’t mind paying $12 every four or five years. There are more alkaline household chemicals that can be used, but they are dangerous. Akfix-GA060 705 Fast Adhesive CA Glue (1.76 oz.) Substitute for CA Accelerator? February 17, 2018. Pure chlorine beach, or lye are stronger alkaline materials, but I would not want them on my wood projects. Will also try the same with acetone. >Acetone is a cheap substitute for DEBONDER not ACCCELERATOR! Bulk-refill (32oz) accelerator goes for about $16 -- and should last the average hobby woodworker a couple of years... i use a lot in doing the inlay most people use for pens or for joints on models so they use a tiny bit but i go through larger amounts plus I ran out and im trying to keep expenses down since my accident. ...I m no chemist, but I think Acetone is a form of alcohol ...- clin. The best deal on a small bottle of CA accelerator seems to be at the local Hobby Lobby store. Different brands use different solvent carriers, depending on degree of flammability or VOC regulations, with Heptane/acetone most common.Common internet suggestion to use baking soda dissolved in water works, but it is slow compared to commercial accelerator. Brush it onto the “dry” half of the joint. Given that Acetone will dissolve CA, it could be the acetone acts as a carrier to pull water molecules into the CA. View Single Post 04-05-2003, 08:09 PM #4 Tattoo. We didn't care about the look, as it would be hidden inside the structure. Within seconds, the surface is hard, yet there is some yield to pressure. Because the presence of moisture causes the glue to set, exposure to normal levels of humidity in the air causes a thin skin to start to form within seconds, which very greatly slows the reaction. -- "It's getting better..." - put this on my RIP stone! He also thinks lysol will work! I found that the 51 LED UV flashlight I got on Amazon that inspired my ongoing UV in the shop blog series really cures it fast, and you don’t have to be millimeters away for it to work. #2 – CA cures in absence of oxygen. Thread: Substitute for CA Accelerator? DISCLAIMER: Any posts on LJ are posted by individuals acting in their own right and do not necessarily reflect the views of LJ. [Clear Super Glue Adhesive and Accelerator Spray] 4.6 out of 5 stars 608 $17.69 $ 17 . It’s cheaper to use because I can unscrew the cap and use a pipette for a small spot like he mentioned. by Steamboat_Willie
The Dimethyl-p-toluidine posted earlier is fast drying alkaline aromatic amine compound. Lack of humidity in the air can also affect curing times. Spoiler alert… they didn’t. I'm sure there are entire forums dedicated to CA glue -- maybe they have a formula for you. Rev. 30 replies so far. What has worked for many years is a spray of water from a mister. CA accelerator can simply be replaced by water and baking soda! The one CA accelerator I’ve used was sort of oily, though it dried without leaving a residue. I’m no chemist, but I think Acetone is a form of alcohol and alcohols blend well with water and absorb water easily. Senior Member . Accelerators are nothing more than this amine dispersed into solvent. $12.50 $ 12. I use the Mitrebond accelerator in the pen form. “Bondic” may be the UV cure system you saw advertised. Even blowing on it helps. A little more research…Wikipedia:In general, cyanoacrylate is an acrylic resin that rapidly polymerises in the presence of water (specifically hydroxide ions), forming long, strong chains, joining the bonded surfaces together. LJ will not be held liable for the actions of any user. When I built big r/c airplanes, we would add dry baking soda to CA to both accelerate the cure and fill gaps. Joined Aug 6, 2009 Messages 6,424 Location Australia - SA Adelaide Hills. He may not do as much work but that's because he will find a better way. | Do Not Sell My Data
Rich – I made a 1/4 scale Piper J3 Cub a few years ago and used CA glue for the very first timeon balsa wood….. Dec 10, 2011 #12 patmurris said: By , We can't get "Glen 20" in the U.S., But it's just, Spray Disinfectant same as say Lysol. Thanks for the clarification. Eaglesc >"How much are we gonna save here by trying to find an acceptable substitute for accelerator? I don't remember it being all that expensive. In my experience, the downsides of commercial products included the fumes when used, as well as the ability of lingering fumes to set off glue applied later and in storage. In a bind, you can use human sweat or saliva as an accelerator, it just works slowly. Latest Projects |
www.timberbits.com I have developed a new alternative accelerator cheaper than Glen 20. It smells like nail polish. Instant Dry Super Glue Hack.Waiting for glue to dry is one of our favorite past times, but sometimes you need to get onto other things. I got curious so did a few quick google searches. ... SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory 4.2. Yep! Scoot Education 4.2. I call it the "Super Tight Ass Method". Cheap little super glue activation hack to save lots of money.#SuperGlue #CAGlue #Activator Like the above two posters, it’s water that reacts with the active ingredient. 4.9 out of 5 stars 39. Latest Forum Topics, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slCMkvEfK_U, Stumpy Nubs Woodworking Journal- For woodworkers of all levels (part 6). Haven't tried it. His quote "I have experimented with about 8 different cans and have found Glen 20 to be the best." When I was a professional display manufacturer, (see how I did that) lolI used UV glue to assemble my glass cases. You only need a tiny bit for most gluing operations, so a can lasts seemingly forever”. Why not just buy a really big bottle of the real stuff? " Mercury Adhesives MH16A Aerosol Accelerator for CA 12oz. The beauty of it is that you don’t waste over spraying and it seems to last a very long time. i gotta agree with rich,john and jonah why bother with the substitutions,where talking about probably a couple bucks a year for most,not worth the effort. Knowing how it works,and how cheap it is, I would not experiment with other methods of curing agents and stick withthe proven commercially designed CA specific accelerators. Substitute Teacher. Plenty of alcohols we shouldn’t drink either! I’ve had the same can for ~4 years, for example, and it’s still a third full. No need for spray bottles. I used it a lot when I was building model airplanes and never paid for an accelerator. Terms of Service
But it still “mixes” with water. I do some model building to, this makes for the cleanest joints, and keeps most of the spray off the plastic. Try soaking a qtip in your accelerator and just dab it onto the wet glue. what happened to that product advertised on the TV InfoMercial several months agoabout putting the glue on the part then hitting it with a flash of Ultra Violet light ?? The CA glue accelerant is a solvent based product that can be applied before and/or after CA glue application. super glue & activator hack,ca& activator ,cyanoacrylate activator Thread: Substitute for CA Accelerator? I am in brazil, will buy some and will try it when i get home. It is water that accelerates it. I think alcohols and bases increase cure rate (water is the curing agent and acids are the retarder) -- hence the references to baking soda and alcohol you see on the web. My accelerator bottle is 7.5oz, cost $12, and I’ve been using the same bottle for four years. $23.99 $ 23. Powered by Invision Community, bourbonnais......thats just south of chicago. Or heck, just some cheap bourbon might work. anyone tried it? +1 on water mist, its also why it works on damp wood . -- working with my hands is a joy,it gives me a sense of fulfillment,somthing so many seek and so few find.-SAM MALOOF. How much CA are we going to waste along the way? and if it works its a really cheap alternative that i can use until i can afford to buy some new bottles. you think its bad on plastic imagine it covering tiny stone and dust its can be a pain but totally worth it. FREE Shipping on orders over $25 shipped by Amazon. Why mess with the chemistry? But if you do not touch the CA surface with pipette, you can reuse them forever. ==> I have found that you can put a table spoon of baking soda in a cup of water and use it to spray and accelerated ca glue. Some modelers use saliva (ew). × I used plenty of commercial accelerators, and they work the best and are most predictable, but have downsides. the qtip would stick but an eye droper would use minimal accelerator right where I want it. Your previous content has been restored. Also, most CA adhesives that I have used recommend a clean, dry surface so it seems like water would not be the best choice. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I tried some "kroger" brand that I had under the sink, it didn't work well, the spray tip sprayed large droplets and left white spots, the same same as a pump accelerator I played with. No idea what it was. None of the things I tested came even close. This process was usually used where we would have used epoxy, but we wanted fast progress, say with complex attachments or critical alignments. #3 – Trick to accelerating CA cure is PH level, as the reaction expedites in alkaline environment. might work if not i throw it away. His quote ", I have experimented with about 8 different cans and have found Glen 20 to be the best. Seems odd that many of the CA activators have acetone in them but I’ve also seen acetone recommended for removing super glue from surfaces. Here is timberbits video, (http://www.timberbits.com/blog/?p=345), We can't get "Glen 20" in the U.S., But it's just Spray Disinfectant same as say Lysol. That yield only lasts maybe a minute though before the entire mass is hard. Akfix-GA060 705 Fast Adhesive CA Glue (1.76 oz.) cessna you said it looks ugly did you ever mix it with water thats what the directions that i found say to do. N,N-Dimethyl-p-toluidine I think the name of the stuff in CA accelerant. I'd test it before I used it on something I cared about. It’s not an adhesive, but more of a filler. No, no, I'm good duck, my skills aren't anywhere near being able to do inlay, nor my patience... if you change your mind eizzle let me know and ill try and give you a few pointers. Thanks for the offer duck, I'm sure if I do try it I'll have a ton of questions! I just realized that I needed some CA Accelerator. ALSO – keep a bottle of “Un-Cure” debonder close by (just in case you get something stuck to something that you don’t want it stuck to).I fully agree with your findings. Funny I had only heard about using CA and baking soda as a hard filler, mainly for guitar repairs etc. --. I’ll try lightly applying a small mist of water/moisture on one of the pieces of material to be bonded together and see what happens. Two very different types of chemicals.Do not drink nail polish remover (acetone)!Do drink burbone (alcohol), but do not drive ;). 70 Permit Tech jobs available in Mountain View, CA on Indeed.com. Moisture accelerates most CA glues, so you can slightly accelerate the glue with warm, moist, breath. so i would rather it not turn ugly. Bondic is excellent in some situations. It worked well, although it often produced an ugly joint. | Copyright
+1 with Pottz…...I have used warm water in a mister in a pinch, but I’m a firm believer in doing it right! Copyright 2020 The Wood Whisperer, Inc. by Steamboat_Willie posted 02-19-2018 09:48 PM . I have experimented with about 8 different cans and have found Glen 20 to be the best. From the basic idea of repair and reattachment to perhaps more advanced crafting of new things, super glue accelerators make the application of super glue easy and convenient. But, I got it, acetone is not a form of alcohol. At wwa, Marc Adams talked about windex being a substitute for accelerator. While some of these may affect the cure rate, none even came close to the spray accelerator. Apply Cyanoacrylate Super Glue Accelerator – CA Glue Activator . The more instant glue that is used in a … I suspect that the acetone is just a solvent for whatever the real accelerant is and may be used because it evaporates quickly. I tried some ". I think I might need to do some experimenting. CA cures due to moisture. You can buy small <1ml Disposable Plastic Pipettes and use them to place 1 drop where needed. Makes me wonder if things like rubbing alcohol, which has a lot of water in it would work. This dust filled joint will not accept dye/stain, so use the dust fill technique sparingly. To avoid clogging the tip, don’t touch it to the work or any surface, and don’t poke pins or nails into the opening either. It’s like a wide sharpie. Have even seen quarts of it sell for <$25. and, X2 with Jonah: “accelerators last quite a long time. While it cost more, I ended up getting better yield. At this ratio, your homemade accelerator will still give you several seconds of open time to align the parts. They have “Extreme Power Accelerator” in a 2 oz spray bottle for $4.99. News. What has worked for many years is a spray of water from a mister. if installing a 60k kitchen a 5.00 can of spray is nothing :<))). Perhaps simply wiping the opposite side to be bonded with a barely damp rag or just run a humidifier in the shop when using it would work? -- Tony---- Reinholds,Pa.------ REMEMBER TO ALWAYS HAVE FUN : I was in the same boat, or plane. Member . It … CA accelerator spray works in seconds — literally — and so I wanted to see if any of the ideas presented could come close. Pasted as rich text. The problem with it is that the single LED curing light they include is really weak. You can get 8 ounce (pints) of accelerator for ~$10, and refill a small spritz spray bottle to apply it. posted 02-19-2018 09:48 PM. You can even place a drop of low viscosity CA onto a pile of saw dust in a crack/gap and it usually cures in seconds. This won’t necessarily make it kick as fast as an accelerator, but moisture is needed for it to set. Bad idea, as the product evaporating from the pump set off the entire bottle of glue on more than one occasion. 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